{"id":7405,"date":"2026-10-15T14:22:44","date_gmt":"2026-10-15T18:22:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/campus.cru.org\/faculty\/?p=7405"},"modified":"2026-10-15T14:26:52","modified_gmt":"2026-10-15T18:26:52","slug":"swim-with-the-sharks","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/campus.cru.org\/faculty\/2026\/swim-with-the-sharks\/","title":{"rendered":"Swim with the Sharks"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"7405\" class=\"elementor elementor-7405\" data-elementor-post-type=\"post\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section data-particle_enable=\"false\" data-particle-mobile-disabled=\"false\" class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-ec81b51 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"ec81b51\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-4ae4a8a\" data-id=\"4ae4a8a\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-bf61d80 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"bf61d80\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>I\u2019m an underwater coward. I admit it.\u00a0<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section data-particle_enable=\"false\" data-particle-mobile-disabled=\"false\" class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-d22ab66 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"d22ab66\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-9fac3f8\" data-id=\"9fac3f8\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-4f32a68 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"4f32a68\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>I have a student who works in my lab and likes to scuba dive with sharks. I\u2019d never do that, but she loves it. I\u2019ve heard that sometimes people even \u201cchum\u201d the water when they want to attract sharks: tossing in pieces of fish to pull sharks and fish into one place. That seems even worse to me.<\/p><p style=\"text-align: center\"><strong>A Rolling Mess of Free Speech<\/strong><\/p><p>University campuses are a rolling mess of free speech right now. Today on the UW Eau Claire campus an itinerant preacher showed up and proceeded to tell most everyone that things are rather, um\u2026, \u201csuboptimal\u201d for them in terms of their eternal destiny. It was such a chumming of the free-speech water that it drew in everyone.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p><p>I love these things. Not that I think it is always prudent to get in the middle of it and swim with the \u201csharks.\u201d They show up to give their opinions forcefully back to the preacher. Instead, I find that on the perimeter are always some people that are just curious.. and if you stand around long enough, someone will almost always ask you what you think about the activities.<\/p><p style=\"text-align: center\"><strong>Sitting on a Wall<\/strong><\/p><p>After about 10 minutes today, three students approached me and started talking to me. Eventually two of them drifted away but one hung around. She identified as a witch, but quickly assured me \u201cnot in the demonic way.&#8221; \u00a0\u00a0<\/p><p>We continued chatting before eventually sitting on a wall a bit away from the ongoing campus events. We talked about the Bible, what it means to debate opinions, and, after a while, I asked her who she thought Jesus was.<\/p><p>\u201cDefinitely a good man,\u201d she replied right away.<\/p><p style=\"text-align: center\"><strong>My New Friend\u00a0<\/strong><\/p><p>I love C. S. Lewis; he said the most complex things in the clearest of ways. So, my new friend and I talked awhile about Lewis\u2019s \u201cLiar, Lunatic, or Lord\u201d thought experiment. She admitted that a good man isn\u2019t a liar, and that if someone is psychotic their teachings are probably not good to follow. So that left us with the option of Lord. We chatted about that for a bit.<\/p><p>Unfortunately, I had to leave for a meeting, but my friend the witch thanked me for giving her some things to think about, and I invited her to stop by my office sometime.<\/p><p style=\"text-align: center\"><strong>On the Periphery<\/strong><\/p><p>Our campuses, more often than not, can resemble a feeding frenzy of sharks attacking each other. 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